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02/21/2013 07:30 AM Senate SENATE SPECIAL COMM ON IN-STATE ENERGY


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07:30:48 AM Presentations: Alaska Independent Power Producers
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Mike Craft, Duff Mitchell
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON IN-STATE ENERGY                                                                         
                       February 21, 2013                                                                                        
                           7:30 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator John Coghill, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATIONS: ALASKA INDEPENDENT POWER PRODUCERS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DUFF MITCHELL, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Independent Power Producers Association (AIPPA)                                                                          
Business Manager                                                                                                                
Juneau Hydropower, Inc.                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of AIPPA and the                                                                     
Sweetheart Lake Hydroelectric Project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE CRAFT, Owner                                                                                                               
Delta Wind Farm                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of the Delta Wind Farm.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ETHAN SCHUTT, Senior Vice President                                                                                             
Cook Inlet Region, Incorporated (CIRI)                                                                                          
Fire Island Wind Farm                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of the  Fire Island Wind                                                            
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BOB GRIMM, CEO                                                                                                                  
Alaska Power & Telephone                                                                                                        
Port Townsend, WA                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Provided  an  overview  of  Alaska  Power  &                                                            
Telephone's alternative energy projects.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOEL GROVES, Project Manager                                                                                                    
Fishhook Renewable Energy, LLC                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Provided  an overview  of Fishhook  Renewable                                                            
Energy's hydroelectric project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:30:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR CLICK BISHOP  called the Senate Special  Committee on In-                                                            
State Energy  meeting to order  at 7:30  a.m. Present at  the call                                                              
to  order were  Senators  Micciche, Egan,  Wielechowski,  Co-Chair                                                              
Coghill and Co-Chair Bishop.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   welcomed  Senator  Giessel  to   the  committee                                                              
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATIONS: Alaska Independent Power Producers                                                                              
       PRESENTATIONS: Alaska Independent Power Producers                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:30:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP announced  that the  order of  business would  be                                                              
overviews   from   the   Alaska    Independent   Power   Producers                                                              
Association (AIPPA) by the following individuals:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · Duff Mitchell, AIPPA Executive Director and Business                                                                       
     Manager for Juneau Hydropower, Inc.                                                                                        
   · Mike Craft, Delta Wind Farm.                                                                                               
   · Ethan Schutt, CIRI-Fire Island Wind Farm.                                                                                  
   · Bob Grim, CEO, Alaska Power & Telephone.                                                                                   
   · Joel Groves, Fishhook Renewable Energy, LLC.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:31:44 AM                                                                                                                    
DUFF  MITCHELL,  Executive  Director,   Alaska  Independent  Power                                                              
Producers  Association  (AIPPA),   and  Business  Manager,  Juneau                                                              
Hydropower,  Inc., thanked  the  committee for  allowing AIPPA  to                                                              
provide  their insights  and understanding  from Alaska's  leading                                                              
private power  producers. He said  AIPPA would share  their vision                                                              
for  energy opportunities,  challenges, and  solutions facing  the                                                              
development of domestic power in Alaska's local economies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MITCHELL  said  AIPPA  developers  and  operators  invest  in                                                              
Alaska  and  take   the  risk  away  from  public   utilities.  He                                                              
explained that to  date, AIPPA had collectively  invested millions                                                              
of dollars and created hundreds of jobs in Alaska.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:34:34 AM                                                                                                                    
He said  AIPPA's role was  providing private resources,  know-how,                                                              
and  hard   work  to  make   energy  happen.  He   explained  that                                                              
competitive  power  created  a  market  force  that  produced  the                                                              
public-benefit to  stabilize and  reduce energy prices  over time.                                                              
He  said  AIPPA's  renewable resources  were  derived  from  wind,                                                              
hydropower, tidal, and natural gas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  said  AIPPA  helped Alaska  by  providing  private-dollars  to                                                              
assist in  the public  benefit of  developing power for  Alaskans.                                                              
He  explained   that  Independent  Power  Producers   (IPP)  would                                                              
continue to put  up the development and risk monies  at no expense                                                              
to the  utilities or  rate payers.  He stated  that IPP's  actions                                                              
allowed  utilities   to  use  their   resources  to  keep   up  on                                                              
maintenance,  reliability,  and operations.  He  said  IPP had  to                                                              
compete at  the wholesale  level and therefore  had no  choice but                                                              
to understand  their local  markets to  find solutions  and wisely                                                              
invest   their  monies.   He  detailed   that   IPP  hired   local                                                              
environmental  scientists,   permitting  personnel,   construction                                                              
employees,  and  provided  operational  jobs that  paid  wages  to                                                              
raise one's families  on. He said energy projects  typically had a                                                              
life of  20 to 50 years  and IPP had  no choice but  to understand                                                              
the  long term  view of  developing Alaska's  energy resources  to                                                              
eliminate  diesel generation  dependency. He  declared that  AIPPA                                                              
was a  team player with  the state and  local utilities.  He noted                                                              
that  AIPPA  was  at  times  the   assisters  or  the  drivers  in                                                              
assisting  Alaska  in  meeting  an  energy  goal  for  50  percent                                                              
renewable energy by the 2025.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that Alaska's enormous  energy potential  was virtually                                                              
untapped. He  said Alaska's resource  potential could  be unlocked                                                              
with  the right  regulatory regime,  attitude,  and direction.  He                                                              
remarked that Alaska  did not have the funds or ability  to "do it                                                              
all" with  finite financial  resources. He  noted that  Alaska did                                                              
have the ability  to encourage private investment  and development                                                              
to help fill  the financial gaps. He explained  that IPP generated                                                              
38 percent  of the  nation's net  power generation,  in Alaska  it                                                              
was 3 percent.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:39:10 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked how  an  independent power  producer  was                                                              
defined.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MITCHELL  answered  that  IPP  put up  their  own  money  and                                                              
develop  their  projects   with  the  intent  to   sell  to  local                                                              
utilities at  a wholesale  rate. He  explained that IPP  privately                                                              
competed  to  entertain  what a  utility  could  normally  produce                                                              
themselves. He  stated that the burden  was on the IPP  to produce                                                              
energy more  cheaply than local  utilities. He specified  that IPP                                                              
were completely private and allowed to apply for state grants.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that Alaska  had some  of the  nation's highest  energy                                                              
costs and  economic potential  in resource  development could  not                                                              
be  realized  unless energy  prices  were  reduced. He  said  high                                                              
energy  costs affected  residential,  commercial, industrial,  and                                                              
transportation  sectors.  He  remarked  that  Alaska's  industries                                                              
were  electricity intensive  and noted  electricity accounted  for                                                              
30  to 40  percent of  the mining  industry's costs.  He said  the                                                              
fish processing  industry's  energy use for  freezing and  canning                                                              
were large  operational costs.  He noted  extensive energy  use by                                                              
government  buildings,  schools,  timber  industry,  and  military                                                              
bases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that high  cost energy  communities had  become more                                                              
and more  dependent on  government services.  He said  a community                                                              
without jobs  had no economy and  that led to more  dependency. He                                                              
stated that  high energy costs  sometimes repelled  or discouraged                                                              
economic development.  He said the Bush had been  ravished by high                                                              
cost  energy and  the  word "crisis"  was  appropriate in  certain                                                              
parts of Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He declared that  energy problems were only going to  get worse as                                                              
the state dealt  with declining oil revenues and  programs such as                                                              
Power Cost Equalization  (PCE) were dependent on  funding from oil                                                              
revenues. He  said AIPPA believed  that Alaska's economy  could be                                                              
diversified  from  the  oil  sector  and  allow  other  electrical                                                              
resources  to be  developed as  a foundation  for Alaska's  future                                                              
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  reiterated that  Alaska  had  the resources  and  IPP had  the                                                              
know-how, private  sector funding, and financial  capital ready to                                                              
develop energy  projects if  access to  markets was available.  He                                                              
stated that man-made  problems could be man-solved.  He noted that                                                              
the Chinese  word for  "crisis"  was composed  of the symbols  for                                                              
"danger" and "opportunity."  He stated that AIPPA did  not want to                                                              
solely point out  the dangers of where Alaska was  at, but to also                                                              
point out the opportunities as well.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL  said Alaska's elected  leaders had wisely  enacted a                                                              
State  Energy Policy  (SEP)  to  aggressively achieve  50  percent                                                              
renewable  energy by  2025. He  explained that  Alaska had  energy                                                              
policies that required  private energy development  in addition to                                                              
directing  fiscal  and  regulatory   regimes  to  support  private                                                              
energy development.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:44:06 AM                                                                                                                    
He  said the  next opportunity  was  to transform  SEP into  state                                                              
statutes and  directives. He stated  that consideration  should be                                                              
given for  positive actions  and steps  for updating statutes  and                                                              
regulations  to  fit  the state's  aggressive  energy  policy.  He                                                              
asserted the need  for the wholesale energy market  to open up via                                                              
access to publically financed transmission lines.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE commented  that he  would like  to receive  off-                                                              
line information  from Mr.  Mitchell on  his ideas and  objectives                                                              
for the  state's evolving energy  outlook in addition  to thoughts                                                              
on  how  the  Regulatory  Commission  of  Alaska  (RCA)  could  be                                                              
updated effectively.  He noted that AIPPA was moving  in a logical                                                              
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MITCHELL  responded   that  he   would  provide   additional                                                              
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN asked  if AIPPA's companies had any  problems dealing                                                              
with  and  reaching   system  tie-in  agreements   with  municipal                                                              
cooperatives or private entities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:46:19 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MITCHELL   replied  that  good  working   relationships  were                                                              
required with  the utilities and  cooperatives. He  explained that                                                              
RCA could  be improved to  help facilitate relations.  He remarked                                                              
that IPP  only accounted for 3  percent of the state's  energy use                                                              
and that was an indication that room for improvement existed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  EGAN  asked  if  AIPPA  found  that  some  utilities  and                                                              
cooperatives gave a push-away feeling and required convincing.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL answered  that there was a little bit  of the control                                                              
aspects.  He explained  that  AIPPA  came to  the  market from  an                                                              
economic  aspect to  save  money and  reduce  costs. He  expressed                                                              
that a prudent business  should be willing to at  least listen and                                                              
engage.  He noted  that  at times  if a  business  entity was  not                                                              
working under market  forces, the same motivation  might not exist                                                              
that would  otherwise be natural. He  stated that he did  not want                                                              
to mischaracterize  things,  but IPP  had to  compete in the  same                                                              
way  as utilities  and cooperatives.  He explained  that at  times                                                              
IPP had to convince buyers when their power was cheaper.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  EGAN  stated that  the  Fire  Island Complex  dealt  with                                                              
initial "pull back."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL  replied that individuals  from Fire Island  would be                                                              
providing  their  overview  in   the  meeting  and  could  provide                                                              
additional insight.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL noted  that analysis  would  be done  to see  if                                                              
access barriers were built by the RCA or state statutes.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:49:57 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL stated  that  a public  utility  was required  to                                                              
assume responsibility  for  the power and  received a  certificate                                                              
of public  necessity and  convenience. She  said a public  utility                                                              
was held  responsible if power went  out. She asked  what happened                                                              
to public  utilities  that agreed  to purchase  IPP power  and the                                                              
IPP's power generation went down.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MITCHELL   responded  that   contractual  obligations   would                                                              
require  IPP to  prove  reliability  with engineering  backup.  He                                                              
stated  that  intermittent power  like  wind  and tidal  may  have                                                              
different types  of power  sales agreement with  a utility  than a                                                              
"firm power"  source from hydro  or geothermal. He said  IPP would                                                              
be required to be reliable when contractually obligated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  Mr.  Mitchell   to  include  him  in  his                                                              
discussion with Senator Micciche.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:52:09 AM                                                                                                                    
MIKE CRAFT, Owner,  Delta Wind Farm (DWF), said DWF  was a project                                                              
located in  Delta Junction and  within the Golden  Valley Electric                                                              
Association  (GVEA)  service  area.   He  explained  that  he  got                                                              
involved  with DWF  because he saw  an opportunity.  He said  five                                                              
years ago he saw  the economy starting to fail  in Fairbanks, real                                                              
estate development  had dropped  and that  was what  he did  for a                                                              
living.  He said  he saw  renewable  energy as  an opportunity  to                                                              
stay engaged  in the market. He  explained that he  partnered with                                                              
several  businessmen   in  Fairbanks   and  put  together   Alaska                                                              
Environmental Power.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT said he  was a person that looked for  opportunities and                                                              
liked  to come up  with solutions.  He stated  that Fairbanks  and                                                              
the  Interior  were  facing an  unprecedented  energy  crisis.  He                                                              
noted  that  people were  leaving  the  area  due to  high  energy                                                              
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said  it became apparent  to him that  once he started  to look                                                              
at DWF, it was  going to be a key component to  what was happening                                                              
in  the Interior  with  respect to  stabilizing  energy costs  and                                                              
creating  jobs. He stated  that Fairbanks'  current energy  status                                                              
had literally  become  a matter  of life  and death  for a lot  of                                                              
people  due to  respiratory  problems from  poor  air quality.  He                                                              
stated  that Fairbanks  did not  know if their  future energy  was                                                              
going  to   come  from  the   Dalton  Highway,  bullet-line,   gas                                                              
generated  power from  Anchorage, or  the Healy  Clean Coal  Power                                                              
Plant  (HCCP).  He noted  that  Fairbanks  would have  saved  $650                                                              
million in rate savings if GVEA was operating HCCP since 1999.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:56:58 AM                                                                                                                    
He declared  that Fairbanks energy  costs were 143  percent higher                                                              
than the  national average. He  addressed energy cost's  impact on                                                              
military bases  in Fairbanks.  He stated that  access to  low cost                                                              
energy  had  a  larger impact  on  the  military  individuals  and                                                              
families  that  lived  off-base.  He said  it  was  difficult  for                                                              
individuals to survive on a military pay-grade in Fairbanks.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed   Fairbanks'  "brown   haze"  pollution   caused  by                                                              
population  density and  atmospheric thermal  inversions. He  said                                                              
Fairbanks  could  not  dissipate  particulates  generated  by  the                                                              
Aurora  Power Plant  located downtown,  the  Fort Wainwright  Coal                                                              
Plant, and  the University of  Alaska-Fairbanks (UAF)  Coal Plant.                                                              
He noted that  Fairbank's coal plants were located  within a seven                                                              
mile area and  within the Environmental Protection  Agency's (EPA)                                                              
non-attainment area.  He added that GVAE's diesel  power plant and                                                              
the North Pole  Refinery also contributed to  Fairbanks' pollution                                                              
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  one  of his  biggest  concerns  was that  GVEA                                                              
annexed  Livengood   to  power   a  gold   mine.  He   noted  that                                                              
Livengood's gold  mine would require  100 megawatts (MW)  of power                                                              
with the  electricity generated at  the North Pole Refinery,  a 33                                                              
percent  increase in  production  in the  non-attainment area.  He                                                              
said one of  the reasons GVEA used  as a reason for  not accepting                                                              
the DWF  project was  due to decreased  customers and  a shrinking                                                              
grid, but GVEA  was potentially increasing capacity  by 33 percent                                                              
for a mining operation while increasing emission levels.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:00:59 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  CRAFT showed  the committee  a  photo displaying  a cloud  of                                                              
haze and smoke over Fairbanks.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that when he  was looking at  renewable energy,  no one                                                              
else  was  doing  it.  He  said  he  bought  five  Skystream  wind                                                              
turbines and placed  them on the Parks Highway and  referred to it                                                              
as  Windworks  101,  an  $80,000  class.  He  explained  that  the                                                              
Skystream turbines  were erected during  the middle of  winter and                                                              
the installation  told him that wind energy was  totally possible.                                                              
He  noted  that   he  looked  at  all  of  the   issues  with  the                                                              
electricity generated  from the  Skystream turbines  for frequency                                                              
on the  grid, voltage regulation,  and dealing with GVEA.  He said                                                              
after  the Skystream  installation,  Alaska  passed the  Renewable                                                              
Energy  Policy and  he  interpreted the  legislation  as a  green-                                                              
light for  the private sector to  be involved and he  created DWF.                                                              
He said  he believed that additional  room would be  available for                                                              
DWF to  play in  the energy  market because  the  RCA was told  to                                                              
develop  a  regime  that  would  entice  the  private  sector.  He                                                              
declared that the  energy market changes he had hoped  for did not                                                              
happen for the private sector.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He explained that  the DWF Project was in its fifth  year. He said                                                              
a proposition  was made to GVEA  in 2011 and the end  result would                                                              
have  saved  GVEA  $80  million  over the  20  year  life  of  the                                                              
contract.  He detailed  that his  proposition offered  electricity                                                              
to GVEA  for $0.1250 per  kilowatt hour  (kWh) for 20  years flat.                                                              
He  noted that  GVEA's current  average cost  was $0.1320/kWh.  He                                                              
explained  that GVEA's  highest  energy cost  facilities were  the                                                              
Aurora  Plant  at  $0.3600/kWh  and the  North  Pole  Refinery  at                                                              
$0.1950/kWh.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said DWF  was a  $54  million project  that  would create  200                                                              
direct construction  jobs, provide  wind turbine technician  jobs,                                                              
and was fully permitted  on a 320 acre site in  an industrial area                                                              
with  road  access.   He  disclosed  that  GVEA   turned  the  DWF                                                              
proposition down  and limited the project  to 2 MW, a  level where                                                              
scale of economies did not work.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:04:30 AM                                                                                                                    
He explained that  one day of 25.5 MW service from  DWF would save                                                              
GVEA  $52,000  and conserve  37,500  gallons  of diesel  fuel.  He                                                              
declared  that  DWF  could  add  25.5 MW  of  electricity  to  the                                                              
Interior, do  it immediately, and do  it for a lot less  than what                                                              
was being done with oil.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAFT  explained that  Fairbanks  was  facing an  issue  that                                                              
required  an  EPA Mitigation  Plan  to  be  in  place by  2014  or                                                              
serious issues would  result with highway funds  and other federal                                                              
support.  He asserted  that  DWF would  help  with Fairbanks'  EPA                                                              
Mitigation  Plan. He  revealed that  4 million  gallons of  diesel                                                              
per year  could be taken out  of the environment, saved,  and used                                                              
somewhere else in the market.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said there  was no need to build additional  power transmission                                                              
lines for DWF.  He explained that the Jarvis  Creek substation was                                                              
three and  a half miles  away from the  DWF site with  an open-bus                                                              
on  the 138  kilovolt line  that  went straight  to Fairbanks.  He                                                              
noted that  the added power  would maximize the  transmission line                                                              
to  Fairbanks and  increase efficiency  by  seven percent  without                                                              
having to upgrade the power lines.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that DWF's  ancillary benefits  would include  bringing                                                              
materials through  the port  of Valdez,  shipping via  Alaska West                                                              
Express  to Fairbanks,  procuring  800 truckloads  of concrete  to                                                              
build 16 wind turbines, and other indirect service jobs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:07:55 AM                                                                                                                    
He noted  that Alaska had already  invested in DWF by  stating the                                                              
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     When we  bought the 320  acre site, we  put up a  100 kW                                                                   
     turbine  on  our  own,  that was  when  I  realized  the                                                                   
     problems we  were going to have with GVEA  accepting our                                                                   
     project  and willingness  to do business  with us.  When                                                                   
     HB 152  came out, we decided  to get the  state involved                                                                   
     in  this because  we felt  like what  was happening  was                                                                   
     not right.  So we  applied for a  matching grant  for $2                                                                   
     million and put  up a EWT-900 wind turbine.  We tried to                                                                   
     involve  the  Alaska  Energy  Authority  (AEA)  and  the                                                                   
     Alaska  Industrial  Development   and  Export  Authority                                                                   
     (AIDEA)  in  the  negotiations  with GVEA  so  that  the                                                                   
     state  could get  an idea  of the  difficulties we  were                                                                   
     facing as an  independent power producer coming  on line                                                                   
     and dealing  with a utility.  I want to thank  the State                                                                   
     of Alaska  for allowing us  that opportunity  through HB
     152 and  the turbines  we have  developed there.  We are                                                                   
     using  Skystreams, the  Northern-100,  and the  EWT-900;                                                                   
     all of  that technology  has been  used in the  villages                                                                   
     and  in  remote  communities.  The  technology  that  we                                                                   
     developed,   the  manufacturers   that  we  brought   to                                                                   
     Alaska,  all that technology  got shared  with the  rest                                                                   
     of the state, so we feel good about that.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  said she understood  that wind turbines  operated                                                              
in a  fairly narrow wind  speed parameter,  if the winds  were too                                                              
slow or high  they would shut down.  She asked if Mr.  Craft had a                                                              
graph that  showed what the  wind looked  like and what  power was                                                              
reliably generated over the past year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  answered yes. He  explained that  DWF did a  three year                                                              
wind study  using a Met Tower  and a program  called Windographer,                                                              
a tool used to  analyze wind resources. He explained  that DWF was                                                              
looking  at  a  30  percent capacity  factor  and  that  meant  an                                                              
average  of 300  kW would come  from a  900 kW  turbine. He  noted                                                              
that   wind  turbines   were   only   at  100   percent   capacity                                                              
approximately 3  percent of the  year. He stated  that electricity                                                              
was generated  on DWF's  900 kW turbines  when wind  speeds ranged                                                              
from 6.5 miles  per hour to 60  miles per hour. He  explained that                                                              
turbines  go  into  an environmental  shutdown  when  wind  speeds                                                              
exceeded 60  miles per hour. He  noted that high wind  speeds were                                                              
not  typical  in  Delta  Junction;  the  average  wind  speed  was                                                              
approximately  15  miles per  hour.  He  said Delta  Junction  was                                                              
different  from other  wind regimes  due  to barometric  variances                                                              
from its inland  location rather than coastal locations  that were                                                              
influenced by storms.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:11:55 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL said DWF  may have  a barrier  with GVEA  due to                                                              
its energy supply  variance. He noted that GVEA would  have to run                                                              
their turbine  in the North Pole  area to modulate DWF's  wind and                                                              
asked if that was a power agreement hang-up.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  responded that GVEA required  DWF to do  an Integration                                                              
Study (IS).  He explained  that DWF's $100,000  IS was  defined by                                                              
GVEA and  showed DWF's modulation  would swing  the grid 10  MW in                                                              
10 minutes,  GVEA's  Eva Creek Wind  Farm (ECWF)  would swing  the                                                              
grid  at 25  MW in  10 minutes.  He said  DWF would  be easier  to                                                              
integrate  due to a  lack of  wind variations.  He noted  that the                                                              
GVEA's North Pole  Refinery would be the perfect  swinging reserve                                                              
because like a car,  the power could be throttled  up and down. He                                                              
disclosed that  a coal plant would  be more difficult to  vary due                                                              
to the need to  get temperature and steam pressure  up. He pointed                                                              
out  that  ECWF  would  be an  excellent  complement  due  to  its                                                              
location in  another wind regime,  approximately 200 west  of DWF.                                                              
He explained  that times when ECWF  was not windy, DWF  was windy.                                                              
He summarized  that DWF could  be a spinning  reserve for  ECWF, a                                                              
point that was brought up in the IS.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL  asked if  it was cheaper  for GVEA to  buy power                                                              
from DWF rather than GVEA producing at a base-load-power.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL inquired  if GVEA's savings  would overcome  the                                                              
cost of  maintenance caused  by throttle  variance at  their North                                                              
Pole Refinery.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  responded that  there would  be a $0.0250/kWh  variance                                                              
cost and  DWF's total  cost would be  $0.1500/kWh. He  stated that                                                              
$0.1500/kWh  power was less  than GVEA's  incremental voided  cost                                                              
of $0.1950/kWh in addition diesel fuel conservation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL asked if  DWF was  able to  get a docket  before                                                              
the RCA  to explain  the information  that was  just presented  to                                                              
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  answered no.  He explained  that he  had applied  for a                                                              
Certificate  of  Public  Convenience  for  25.5  MW  and  the  RCA                                                              
allowed  GVEA to  be the  gatekeeper.  He divulged  that GVEA  was                                                              
only willing  to provide DWF with  a 2 MW capped  sales agreement.                                                              
He asserted that  because GVEA would not give DWF  a contract, the                                                              
RCA decided it was  not in the public's interest to  have 25 MW of                                                              
wind power in Delta Junction.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:27 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR EGAN asked  to clarify that DWF's issue was  with GVEA and                                                              
RCA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  answered yes. He said  the RCA basically told  DWF that                                                              
the  state   energy  policy   decided  by   the  legislature   was                                                              
"aspirational."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked if the RCA's comment was in writing.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL explained that RCA's comment was in a transcript.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   EGAN  asked   if  the   committee   could  receive   the                                                              
transcript.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL  clarified that an  attorney from a utility  made the                                                              
"aspirational" comment  on the energy  policy. He  said correcting                                                              
the RCA would require statute change.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  asked that a transcript  copy be provided  to the                                                              
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN asked if DWF was receiving cooperation from AEA.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT responded  that AEA was  not in a position to  deal with                                                              
the situation  between DWF  and GVEA, but  noted that AEA  had not                                                              
addressed the situation.  He explained that AEA's job  was to find                                                              
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:17:41 AM                                                                                                                    
ETHAN SCHUTT, Senior  Vice President, CIRI-Fire Island  Wind Farm,                                                              
addressed  the  prior RCA  discussions.  He  said the  RCA  viewed                                                              
itself  as a  body that  enforced  rate making  and reviewed  rate                                                              
cases. He  explained that the  RCA also reviewed  propositions for                                                              
the creation  of new  utilities  or the addition  of authority  to                                                              
certificate utilities.  He said the RCA only  reviewed the fitness                                                              
of utilities  to have a  certificate at  the initial point  and he                                                              
had  never seen  the  RCA  take a  case  where they  reviewed  the                                                              
fitness of a  utility to continue to provide  service unless there                                                              
was failure  to provide  power. He  said the  RCA viewed  its role                                                              
very narrowly  via the statutes  that the legislature  had passed.                                                              
He  said   the  legislature  would   have  to  change   the  RCA's                                                              
responsibilities to address market oversight.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:21:11 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SCHUTT  explained the  Fire  Island  Wind Project  (FIWP)  as                                                              
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  · FIWP produced 18,039 megawatt-hours (MWh) of electricity.                                                                   
   · Caused no electrical system operational issues going to the                                                                
     integration of a commercial wind project.                                                                                  
   · Saved Chugach Electric Association (CEA) approximately 196                                                                 
     million cubic feet of Cook Inlet natural gas.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He explained FIWP data from January 2013:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · Produced 6,812 MWh of electricity.                                                                                         
   · Average wind speed for the month was 19.0 mph.                                                                             
   · Predominant north wind.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said FIWP's highlights were as follows:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · 25-year contract with CEA.                                                                                                 
   · Flat net price of $97/MWh, $0.0970/kWh.                                                                                    
   · $65 million of private investment in the Anchorage energy                                                                  
     market.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT explained FIWP's facts as follows:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · 11 General Electric (GE) XLE 1.6 MW wind turbines with                                                                     
     total project nameplate capacity of 17.6 MW.                                                                               
   · Expected to annually generate 51,000 MWh.                                                                                  
  · Primary production months would be November through March.                                                                  
   · Annual average for FIWP's net capacity factor was 32.5                                                                     
     percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He addressed the Fire Island site selection as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · Wind resource was identified.                                                                                              
   · Proximity to grid and load.                                                                                                
   · Minimal environmental impacts.                                                                                             
   · Lack of conflicting land uses.                                                                                             
   · Available land for construction.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:24:14 AM                                                                                                                    
He addressed FIWP's history as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · CIRI obtained Fire Island property in the 1980s.                                                                           
   · Wind resource studied in 2000 by a utility group led by                                                                    
     CEA.                                                                                                                       
   · CIRI became the project developer in 2005.                                                                                 
   · Key permits issued in 2009.                                                                                                
   · Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issues were addressed                                                                
     in 2009.                                                                                                                   
   · Preliminary construction in 2010.                                                                                          
   · CIRI received permits with project financing in 2011.                                                                      
   · RCA approval for CIRI's contract with CEA in 2011.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He explained the FIWP layout on Fire Island as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · 11 commercially operating turbines.                                                                                        
   · 22 additional turbine sites available for development.                                                                     
   · Additional infrastructure to support the first phase                                                                       
     operation and maintenance building, electric power system,                                                                 
     and roads.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He addressed FIWP's 2011 project timeline as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   · FAA determination of no hazard issued.                                                                                     
   · Commercial contracts and Power Purchase Agreement (PPA).                                                                   
   · RCA approval of PPA.                                                                                                       
   · Project financing closed.                                                                                                  
   · On-shore transmission line construction.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT explained FIWP's 2012 project timeline as follows:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · On-island civil and electrical construction.                                                                               
   · Finished transmission interconnection.                                                                                     
   · Erected wind turbines on Fire Island.                                                                                      
   · Project  commissioning  completed  and  commercial  operation                                                              
     began September 2012.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He addressed FIWP's transmission line as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  · 3.1 miles of two parallel 34.5 kilovolts submarine cables.                                                                  
   · 8.6  miles of  terrestrial  transmission  lines,  3 miles  on                                                              
     Fire Island and 5.5 onshore to get from Point Campbell to                                                                  
     the International Substation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:26:24 AM                                                                                                                    
He summarized FIWP construction as follows:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · Delaney  Construction   Group  (DCG)  was   the  Engineering,                                                              
     Procurement, and Construction (EPC) contractor.                                                                            
   · DCG was  a Tetra Tech  company and constructed  utility scale                                                              
     wind projects in Alaska and the Lower 48.                                                                                  
   · Significant  subcontracts  with local  contractors,  vendors,                                                              
     and service providers.                                                                                                     
   · Significant   activity  at   Port  of   Anchorage  and   Port                                                              
     MacKenzie.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He provided wind turbine information as follows:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Blade length was 131 feet.                                                                                                 
   · Hub height was 262 feet.                                                                                                   
   · Turbine  rotational  speed  was  10  to  19  revolutions  per                                                              
     minute (RPM).                                                                                                              
   · Turbine foundation was steel reinforced concrete.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  presented the  committee  with a  graphic  that showed  FIWP's                                                              
turbine height  perspective versus Anchorages  downtown buildings:                                                              
FIWP  at  262  feet, Conoco-Philips  Building  at  296  feet,  and                                                              
Atwood Building at 265 feet.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:30:33 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. SCHUTT summarized  that FIWP was difficult  to accomplish, but                                                              
noted the  early operational phase  had gone well. He  stated that                                                              
CIRI had a good  working relationship with CEA  with CEA realizing                                                              
the value of  a non-gas resource within their  system. He conceded                                                              
that FIWP's  power was intermittent  and not the  easiest resource                                                              
for CEA  to handle.  He explained  that FIWP's intermittent  power                                                              
required coordination  for hourly  and daily wind  predictions. He                                                              
said  CIRI's  hope  was  to  build  additional  projects  on  Fire                                                              
Island.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN asked when FIWP would pay off.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT  replied that the  debt on FIWP  was 20 years  with the                                                              
cash-equity  component at  nine or  ten years.  He explained  that                                                              
CIRI had  a flat-net  price agreement  for 25  years and  retained                                                              
operational risk  for major maintenance issues. He  explained that                                                              
one  of  the   major  maintenance  issues  pertained   to  gearbox                                                              
replacement that  was projected to  occur a little more  than once                                                              
per  turbine.  He  said  gearbox   replacement  was  an  expensive                                                              
maintenance process  and CIRI had a capital reserve  built up over                                                              
FIWP's early  years to  fund anticipated  gearbox replacement.  He                                                              
noted  that  excessive  gearbox   replacement  beyond  projections                                                              
would  have  a significant  impact  on  CIRI's returns  in  FIWP's                                                              
later  years.   He  explained  that   CIRI's  contract   with  CEA                                                              
benefited  its customers  by shifting  risk of  loss to a  private                                                              
party. He  stated that  CIRI accepted  the major maintenance  risk                                                              
knowingly and  based their  decision on  GE's input. He  commented                                                              
that risk  shifting was good  for the market  place and  allowed a                                                              
utility to avoid rolling risk costs into their rate base.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:33:32 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   summarized  that  CIRI  owned   FIWP  and  sold                                                              
electricity to CEA for $0.0970/kWh for 25 years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT answered correct.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL  stated that another  risk factor was  related to                                                              
FIWP's  power  intermittency for  CEA.  He  asked what  the  power                                                              
sales agreement  on CEA's cost  of ramping  up and down  to follow                                                              
FIWP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHUTT   replied  that   CIRI  and   CEA  had  a   reciprocal                                                              
intermittency  payment of  $0.01/kWh.  He  explained that  $0.0970                                                              
was  a  net  price  to  CIRI  and  the  $0.01/kWh  was  considered                                                              
additional to cover the integration operational issues to CEA.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL recalled  a debate on  FIWP's transmission  line                                                              
and the  state's contribution  towards the  project. He  asked who                                                              
had responsibility for other parts on FIWP's transmission line.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHUTT   answered  that   the  state   made  a  $25   million                                                              
appropriation  to  construct  FIWP's transmission  line  from  the                                                              
project to  the system. He said  CIRI built the  transmission line                                                              
and  was in  the  process of  turning  over the  line  to CEA.  He                                                              
explained that  CEA would  own and  operate the transmission  line                                                              
during  for the  25  year life  of  FIWP, the  same  as the  power                                                              
purchase  agreement. He  said  the transmission  line  cost was  a                                                              
little  more  than  $25 million  and  CIRI  funded  the  remaining                                                              
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL summarized  that the  state kept  the cost  from                                                              
going above $0.09/kWh.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT  responded correct. He  said the state  basically built                                                              
the   transmission  interconnection   and  CIRI   asked  for   the                                                              
appropriation to buy-down  the cost of power to  CEA. He explained                                                              
that  the state  had previously  participated with  appropriations                                                              
that were similar to FIWP's transmission interconnection.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL  replied that the state also  participated in the                                                              
transmission line  for GVEA's northern  end. He noted  that access                                                              
was  one of  the  problems with  DWF  and asked  if  access was  a                                                              
problem for FIWP.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHUTT  answered that  access  was  not  a problem.  He  said                                                              
FIWP's transmission  line came into a substation  that was jointly                                                              
owned  by CEA  and Anchorage  Municipal  Light &  Power. He  noted                                                              
that  the substation  puts  the power  from  the new  Southcentral                                                              
Power  Project  (SPP)  into  the   grid.  He  explained  that  the                                                              
legislature   also  participated   in  GVEA's   wind  project   by                                                              
effectively building their interconnection substation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP noted  that  everyone was  interested  in how  to                                                              
save either natural gas for Cook Inlet or fuel oil in Fairbanks.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:37:37 AM                                                                                                                    
BOB  GRIMM,  CEO,   Alaska  Power  &  Telephone   (AP&T)  Company,                                                              
addressed  creating an  IPP  market with  access  to domestic  and                                                              
export markets.  He said IPP  required the transmission  system to                                                              
be open-access with  a level playing field in order  to provide an                                                              
energy cost benefit for Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIMM said AP&T  was unique due to being an  independent power                                                              
producer  and a  regulated  utility. He  explained  that AP&T  was                                                              
investor  owned  with the  majority  owned  by 123  employees.  He                                                              
explained   that    AP&T   consisted   of    experienced   project                                                              
identification people  with 17 years of operational  experience on                                                              
newly built  hydroelectric projects.  He said AP&T's  professional                                                              
engineering staff  consisted of an  aggregate 199 years  of energy                                                              
industry  experience. He  noted that  AP&T had  been operating  in                                                              
Alaska for 55 years and started in Skagway in 1957.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  stated  that  AP&T  demonstrated   its  ability  to  identify,                                                              
design,  and build  cost  competitive hydroelectric  projects.  He                                                              
said  AP&T had  built and  operated  two storage  and two  Run-Of-                                                              
River  (ROR)  hydroelectric  projects  using the  IPP  model  with                                                              
additional  projects  planned for  the  future. He  detailed  that                                                              
AP&T's energy mix  started at 95 percent diesel  and was currently                                                              
at 70 percent renewable hydroelectric in just 16 years.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He addressed AP&T's future IPP projects as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   · 5 MW project near Hydaburg on Price of Wales Island, a                                                                     
     joint venture between AP&T and Haida Corporation.                                                                          
   · 9.6 MW Mahoney Lake Hydro Partnership of City of Saxman,                                                                   
     Cape Fox Corporation, and AP&T. He said the intent was to                                                                  
     have the project sell into the Southeast Alaska Power                                                                      
     Agency (SEAPA) system.                                                                                                     
   · 77 MW project near Hyder with the intent to be the first                                                                   
     project in Alaska to connect to the North American                                                                         
     electricity grid and export power out of Alaska.                                                                           
   · AP&T was performing development work on Kootznoowoo's                                                                      
     Thayer Creek Hydro project in Angoon.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:41:38 AM                                                                                                                    
He addressed a study  by UAF's Alaska Center for  Energy and Power                                                              
(ACEP).  He  said   ACEP's  study  was  funded   by  the  National                                                              
Renewable  Energy Lab  and published  in  June 2012.  He said  the                                                              
study's subject  was on  stranded renewable  energy in  Alaska and                                                              
quoted the following:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska   is  home   to  significant   renewable   energy                                                                   
     resources.   Geothermal,  wind,   tidal,  wave,   hydro,                                                                   
     solar,  and  biomass  resources   have  the  theoretical                                                                   
     potential  to not  only meet  the  majority of  Alaska's                                                                   
     in-state  needs, but  also  provide tremendous  economic                                                                   
     and  strategic   opportunity  for  the  state   and  the                                                                   
     nation.  Despite the many  opportunities for  developing                                                                   
     these  resources, there are  also significant  barriers.                                                                   
     Foremost among  these challenges  is the fact  that many                                                                   
     Alaska  renewable energy  resources  are stranded,  just                                                                   
     like  our natural  gas  on the  North  Slope. The  study                                                                   
     went on  to identify  that Alaska  had 677 megawatts  of                                                                   
     geothermal.  Alaska  has the  largest  amount of  class-                                                                   
     seven  wind, which is  the best.  In the United  States,                                                                   
     Alaska possesses  90 percent of the tidal  potential and                                                                   
     50 percent of  the wave energy potential of  the nation.                                                                   
     Alaska also  has tremendous  hydro power potential  with                                                                   
     a well-researched amount that is developable.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIMM  said an  important observation  was that the  renewable                                                              
resources were  currently stranded. He explained  that Southeast's                                                              
resources were unique  due to its shared boundary  with Canada and                                                              
power  connections currently  existed. He  noted Southeast's  road                                                              
connections to Canada  via Haines, Skagway and  Hyder. He revealed                                                              
that Hyder was served  by British Columbia (BC) Hydro  and had the                                                              
lowest  rates   in  Alaska.  He   divulged  that   an  undeveloped                                                              
transportation  corridor  had potential  near  Wrangell  due to  a                                                              
nearby  transmission extension  by BC  Hydro. He  stated that  the                                                              
barrier to  un-strand Southeast's  renewable resources  was timely                                                              
and affordable.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:44:29 AM                                                                                                                    
He  summarized that  Southeast  had significant  energy  resources                                                              
that were  documented. He said the  barrier to development  of the                                                              
stranded  renewable energy  resources were  small compared  to the                                                              
other areas  within the state. He  explained that a  new renewable                                                              
industry  would  diversify  Southeast's   struggling  economy  and                                                              
create new green jobs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   said  the  day's   overviews  had   touched  on                                                              
Interior,  Southcentral,  and  Southeast.   He  stated  that  each                                                              
region had  its own assets to  lower energy costs, but  there were                                                              
no silver-bullet solutions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:46:49 AM                                                                                                                    
JOEL  GROVES, Project  Manager, Fishhook  Renewable Energy  (FRE),                                                              
addressed the Fishhook  Creek ROR Hydroelectric Project  (FCHP) in                                                              
Southcentral.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROVES explained FRE's background as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · A  limited liability  company  formed in  2006  for the  sole                                                              
     purpose of pursuing FCHP.                                                                                                  
   · Owners   consisted    of   five   long-time    Alaskans   and                                                              
     professional  engineers   who  specialized  in   small  hydro                                                              
     development.                                                                                                               
   · An aggregate  of over 100  years of experience  in designing,                                                              
     building, and operating renewable energy systems.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROVES addressed FCHP's hydro experience as follows:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · ROR  hydroelectric  project  in Seward,  a  5 MW  project  on                                                              
     Fourth  of  July  Creek  located   behind  the  Spring  Creek                                                              
     Correctional Facility, currently in the feasibility stage.                                                                 
   · Consulting on Indian River in Tenakee Springs.                                                                             
   · Consulting on  Packers Creek in Chignik Lagoon  on the Alaska                                                              
     Peninsula.                                                                                                                 
   · Design and upgrade of Pelican Creek on Chicagof Island.                                                                    
   · McRoberts  Creek, the  first  independent  power producer  on                                                              
     the Railbelt  near Palmer,  a 100 KW  ROR hydro  project that                                                              
     has been in operation since 1991.                                                                                          
   · Design for Chuniisax  Creek in Atka that was  commissioned in                                                              
     December 2012, a 250 KW project.                                                                                           
   · Several  FCHP owners  also  owned South  Fork Hydro  Project,                                                              
     another  Railbelt  independent   power  producer  project  in                                                              
     Eagle River,  a 1.2 MW  project currently under  construction                                                              
     that was scheduled to be operational by the summer of 2013.                                                                
   · FCHP  owners  had worked  on  20 projects  throughout  Alaska                                                              
     involving    engineering   work,   reconnaissance    studies,                                                              
     feasibility   studies,  permitting,   design,   construction,                                                              
     operations, and regulatory compliance.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:49:20 AM                                                                                                                    
He explained the proposed FCHP as follows:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · 24-inch,  7,800  foot  long   penstock  with  1,000  feet  of                                                              
     vertical head.                                                                                                             
   · 2 MW  installed capacity that  would provide  full electrical                                                              
     service to approximately 1,000 homes.                                                                                      
   · Power would  be sold to Matanuska Electric  Association (MEA)                                                              
     to offset their existing and future natural gas fuel needs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  FCHP  would   be  located  in  the  Talkeetna                                                              
Mountains'  Hatcher  Pass,  approximately  60 miles  northeast  of                                                              
Anchorage.  He  said  Fishhook   Creek  drained  the  basin  where                                                              
Independence Mine was located, Mile 16.5 on Hatcher Pass Road.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROVES explained  that the FCHP's penstock  route would follow                                                              
Fishhook Creek  for several thousand  feet and then  head overland                                                              
down  to   the  historic  mouth   of  Fishhook  Creek   where  the                                                              
powerhouse would  be located with  a half-mile underground  power-                                                              
line extension to the existing MEA power-line.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE addressed  Alaskans  talking about  the move  to                                                              
renewable  sources  for  energy  throughout  the  state,  yet  two                                                              
projects  were  stymied  because   of  environmental  concerns  on                                                              
streams  that did  not have  anadromous  fish. He  asked how  FCHP                                                              
received  their  permits  and  what  struggles  were  possible  in                                                              
moving forward with hydro in the future.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROVES  replied that FCHP was  still in the  permitting phase.                                                              
He noted  that permitting  with fish  for ROR hydroelectric  plans                                                              
were project specific.  He explained that projects  could be large                                                              
with minimal  fish impact or  small with significant  fish impact.                                                              
He  said an  example was  the Indian  River Hydroelectric  Project                                                              
(IRHP) in Southeast  near Tenakee Springs. He explained  that IRHP                                                              
had proven  to be a  real win-win for  the community  in providing                                                              
low  cost renewable  energy.  He noted  that  design changes  were                                                              
made to  IRHP's fish-pass to enhance  the coho salmon  fishery. He                                                              
noted  on the  other end  of the  spectrum was  the Packers  Creek                                                              
Hydroelectric  Project  (PCHP) in  Southwest  Alaska  with a  very                                                              
small population of  resident Dolly Varden fish. He  said PCHP was                                                              
having difficulty with  the Alaska Department of Fish  and Game in                                                              
obtaining  a  fish  habitat  permit  due  to  the  resident  Dolly                                                              
Varden.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:53:43 AM                                                                                                                    
He addressed the FCHP schedule as follows:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Initial studies completed in 2006.                                                                                         
   · Filed permit applications in 2007 and 2008.                                                                                
   · Project was entering its fifth year while permitting                                                                       
     continued.                                                                                                                 
   · Project was a combination of easements and leases with the                                                                 
     state and Matanuska-Susitna  Borough, none were  in place. He                                                              
     noted that the  Alaska Department of Natural  Resources (DNR)                                                              
     had  never   leased  state  land  to  an   independent  power                                                              
     producer before  and there had been a lot of  delay in trying                                                              
     to get the project moving forward.                                                                                         
  · Final design and financing completed in the fall of 2013.                                                                   
   · Construction during the summer of 2014.                                                                                    
   · Operation by October 2014.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GROVES   addressed  IPP  opportunities  in   Southcentral  as                                                              
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · 50-plus MW ROR-hydro potential in Southcentral that was                                                                    
     environmentally, politically, technically, and economically                                                                
     viable.                                                                                                                    
   · Potential ROR projects would be greater than 25 percent of                                                                 
     MEA's existing load.                                                                                                       
   · Private sector would take the development risk off utility                                                                 
     books.                                                                                                                     
   · Stable and long term competitive pricing.                                                                                  
   · Sustainable renewable energy resource.                                                                                     
   · Supply geographic and fuel diversity.                                                                                      
   · Local construction, management, and operational jobs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained IPP needs as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Predictable and timely regulatory environment.                                                                             
   · Access to public infrastructure and markets.                                                                               
   · Fair pricing and contract terms.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:56:20 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  stated  that he  was  a  big fan  of  renewable                                                              
energy  projects.   He  noted  that  people  demanding   a  higher                                                              
proportion  of renewable energy  were often  the very  same people                                                              
that were  opposing hydro projects.  He said  it was a  little bit                                                              
frustrating  as   Alaska  moved  forward   and  it  was   a  tough                                                              
stakeholder exercise  with each case being unique.  He stated that                                                              
some of the  renewable projects were helping people  to understand                                                              
that energy  in any form did  not come without impact  and working                                                              
together was important.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  EGAN asked  if  the committee  was  going  to invite  Mr.                                                              
Mitchell  back   for  a  presentation   on  the   Sweetheart  Lake                                                              
Hydroelectric Project (SLHP) in Southeast.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP replied yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL  stated that he  was a developer  working on  SLHP, a                                                              
19.8  MW facility  south  of Juneau.  He said  he  was working  on                                                              
licensing with the  intention of supply energy to  Juneau by 2016.                                                              
He thanked  the committee  for the  opportunity  to show what  the                                                              
private  sector was  trying to do  to help  resolve Alaska's  huge                                                              
problem of bringing reliable and lower cost energy to the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP thanked AIPPA for their presentations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:58:38 AM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the Senate                                                                       
Special Committee on In-State Energy, Co-Chair Bishop adjourned                                                                 
the meeting at 8:58 a.m.                                                                                                        

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AIPP Alaska Power & Telephone Company 2-21-13.ppt SISE 2/21/2013 7:30:00 AM
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AIPPA Fishhook Renewable Presentation 2-21-13.ppt SISE 2/21/2013 7:30:00 AM
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AIPPA Presentation 2-21-13.pptx SISE 2/21/2013 7:30:00 AM
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CIRI Fire Island Wind--general public presentation (Feb 2013).pptx SISE 2/21/2013 7:30:00 AM
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DWF Senate Energy Presentation final.pptx SISE 2/21/2013 7:30:00 AM
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